Category talk:Kunst (text)

Question about reversion

@Strakhov, why did you reverse my change of categories, from Category:Art to Category:Letters, words and symbols in art? Art is far too general, I thought the new one is exactly right. JopkeB (talk) 06:32, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

JopkeB: because, as I did tell you, the category you selected is wrong: this is not a category intended to group files depicting some particular word “in art”, but a category grouping depictions of the word “Kunst”, whether artistic or not. Do you need a narrower category, more specific? Then you can create “Category:Text mentioning art” and include this one in there. Or this other one: [1]. Strakhov (talk) 17:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

First of all: please assume good faith here on Commons. I did not see that you "tell me" why my action was wrong, this is the first time I read your arguments. Perhaps I overlooked it.

Yes, you are right, not all these images depict "Kunst" in a work of art. But Category:Art is far too general. Could Category:Art (text) be helpfull? And indeed, it should be in a category chain with Category:Arte (text). Perhaps your suggestion “Category:Text mentioning art” can be the parent category of these three. JopkeB (talk) 10:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Surely you can point where I did assume bad faith in your edits (?). Here you can see where I told you your categorisation was wrong and the reason of that -> "not every depiction of the German word "Kunst" is artistic...". Strakhov (talk) 19:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The point: "as I did tell you,". I must have overlooked it. JopkeB (talk) 08:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

That's not assuming bad faith, it's stating that I had already told you why your action was wrong. Strakhov (talk) 08:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

So we might have:

• Category:Texts mentioning art (new category; parents: Category:Art and Category:Texts by subject); subcategories:
  • Category:Art (text)
  • Category:Arte (text)
  • Category:Kunst (text)

Do you agree? --JopkeB (talk) 06:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

I do not contest that. Well, maybe I do, a little bit: Category:Texts by subject as a parent category is, maybe, kind of an overreaching. A text mentioning "something" does not necessarily imply "something" is the subject of that text. I won't elaborate on the already existing problems with "polisemy" of text strings. Strakhov (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts, you may be right. Do you have a (or more) suggestion(s) for another parent category for the text part? JopkeB (talk) 07:57, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

"Text mentioning concepts"? mentioning things? Honestly, IMHO that 'text part categorisation' could be skipped and ...problem solved. If it were up to me, I would completely separate "word categorization" from "standard concept categorization" (mainly because of the polisemic issue I mentioned above). Strakhov (talk) 15:37, 27 November 2022 (UTC)